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Page Index
Introduction
Major Rules - Canon I
Major Rules - Canon II
Minor Rules
What Admin Will Do With Violations
Violation of Major Rules
Violation of Minor Rules

INTRODUCTION

"We should accept the fact that on most significant political and moral issues intelligent people of character will disagree. While it's appropriate to advocate and defend one's convictions with passion, I think it's illogical and unethical to reflexively treat people who disagree as enemies or conclude that by virtue of their contrary beliefs they are evil, stupid or both. It's also a mistake to think that the intensity of our convictions increases the likelihood that we're right or gives us permission to demonize those who think otherwise."
-- Michael Josephson

Only a tiny minority of list members ever become a problem. These rules look long and detailed. They needed to be that way to deal fairly with a few problem people in the past. A good rule of thumb is to treat others on the list as you would someone who you were talking to face to face. Chances are that you do this anyway and this will not be a problem.

These rules may look imposing, but they are really not. If you follow basic principles of courtesy and respect for your fellow list members, the rules will be largely irrelevant. List administration's overall objective is to provide an enjoyable and safe environment where INFJs (and other types who are interested in experiencing a dominant INFJ environment) can discuss their thoughts and feelings. We believe that any topic of interest should be open for discussion, but we reserve the right to regulate the manner in which that discussion takes place. As a practical matter, a major list disturbance sucks all of the life out of the list such that a) the combatants are virtually the only posters, and b) admin receives mass pleas to "make them stop!"

Our rules consist of two major canons and several minor rules that will usually trigger administration intervention. Please note that a steady pattern of violating even minor rules will elicit administrative sanctions beyond just warnings and a request to change the behavior.

Please also note that rule and decision making from the admin team is final and there is no appeal. We take great pains to apply the rules equally to all members based on the prohibited behavior, putting personal feelings aside. We also make every attempt to consider the position of all parties involved when making a rule or sanctioning a behavior, but our first responsibility is the peace and stability of the list. Taking administrative action against a list member is not anything we enjoy doing, but sometimes it is necessary for the list as a whole.

Regarding the finality of administrative decisions - those who attempt to argue with us may not know the whole picture. Furthermore, administration does not publicly share information relating to our actions. This is so we can protect the privacy of the individuals involved. Once we have made a decision to sanction a member, that member will receive a private message indicating the particular rule that was violated and the nature of the sanction. Unless there is a gross misstatement of the facts upon which the sanction is based, there is no point in writing us about it. Arguing with an administrative decision is unlikely to change the outcome.

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MAJOR RULES - CANON I

Do not engage in disruptive, uncivil behavior. A good rule of thumb is if you wouldn't say something to someone when they were in the same room with you, it's probably a bad idea to say it on the list. These behaviors include, but are not limited to, the examples listed below.

1) Flaming - To post an email message intended to insult and provoke, such as name calling, frequent use of acerbic comments, etc. This category also includes "dictionary flaming" which is an attempt to sidetrack a debate away from issues by asking for a definition of practically every word and/or concept involved.

2) Trolling or Baiting - This is making inflammatory statements or specious arguments that are intended to create conflict. Sometimes people inadvertently make inflammatory remarks. If this happens to you, please apologize for it and then drop it. If you suspect that a message has been intentionally posted to generate conflict, the best course of action is to not respond at all, or to respond only calmly. Keep in mind that getting angry and attacking the person is exactly what they are looking for.

3) Badgering - This is harassing or annoying someone by continuing to revisit the same point or ask the same question over and over again. It is related to Dead Horse flogging, but sounds more like a cross examination than a discussion.

4) Dead Horse Flogging - Occasionally a topic will be discussed to the point where a few people are continuing to beat it into the ground, even if the respective parties' positions are abundantly clear. If administration deems that the issue is just annoying people and nothing of new substance is being said, it may declare the topic a dead horse either temporarily or permanently. If a list member continues to carry on the discussion after it has been declared a dead horse (taking into account that a digest member may have a delay in seeing the dead horse declaration), they will be subject to administrative action. If you are on digest, we expect you to cease as soon as you have received the "dead horse" designation for that topic.

NOTE: Administration does not plan to declare a "dead horse" time unless it feels that continuing the discussion is simply likely to lead to list wide conflict and that further discussion of the topic will just generate more ill will.

5) Refusing To Stop - If a person involved in a debate or argument expresses a desire to drop the subject, the other party or parties should do so. Occasionally a person on digest will weigh in on a topic before they see the request to drop the subject. If this happens, do not take it as a reason to revisit the issue. If you must comment, take it offlist and discuss it privately. Also please note that if you are observing a discussion that you don't like, you have two alternatives: delete messages concerning that topic and/or start another discussion.

6) Monday Morning Quarterbacking - This is second-guessing and/or complaining when administration has to step in and take action against a list member, or doing the same about making or modifying a rule. Obviously, a list member who was sanctioned will probably not like it. However, administrative decisions are not open to debate onlist. Complaining about how unfair you or someone else has been treated is not productive and impedes the list moving on. If the person who was sanctioned argues with the administrative decision onlist, they will be immediately and permanently removed. This is also true regarding making or modifying rules. If someone else complains about the treatment of someone else on the list, they will, at minimum, receive a warning.

7) Type Bashing - Do not make blanket, negative statements about a type or a group of types. It is OK to admit that you have a personal problem with a type or a group of types. It is also OK to state tendencies, i.e. make an observation about how many people of a given type may behave. Type, like all social sciences, is never absolute.

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MAJOR RULES - CANON II
Posting Private Messages and Cross Posting

Do not post messages from this list to another list. Also do not post private messages to this list. List members have been seriously hurt when private messages, or replies to private messages have been posted to this or another list. Members have also been harmed when a message from our mailing list has been posted to another mailing list. Harm does not always occur when this happens, but the potential for it is large, so it is not allowed.

Exceptions to this are jokes and other internet news items that are forwarded around to many people. Messages from someone who wrote something on another list or wrote something to you privately, may be posted if you have his or her permission.

Please note that just because you were one party to a private or list message does not give you the automatic right to post it here or anywhere else. Both parties must consent. This is a private membership list, and discussions here are intended for list members only. If someone sends you a reply to a list message privately and it appears to be intended for the list, check with the sender before sending it to the list.

Never post to INFJ-L and also include another mailing list or a non-list member in the To or CC line. INFJ-L is not private in the sense that it would be impossible for information shared on the list to end up some place else. However, we try to do all we can to keep discussions on INFJ-L among INFJ list members only. Anyone caught forwarding messages to a non-list member or another list, will face administrative action.

Do not sign INFJ-L up to another mailing list (sounds crazy, but it happened). INFJ-L members may be interested in joining other mailing lists, and those lists may be discussed here; but do not sign up INFJ-L, or send an automated "reply to this to join" invitation to the INFJ-L address.

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MINOR RULES

A) Don't Overquote - Excessive quoting when replying is an especially frustrating problem for list members who receive the digest, and it eats up server bandwidth. Please take the time to edit your reply so that you include only the *minimum* needed to provide context to your reply. This is usually about a paragraph. This is especially critical since the list membership currently generates such a high volume of traffic on our server.

B) Quoting the Right Person - Please be sure you are attributing the quoted material to the correct individual. This is especially important when your reply includes quotes from more than one person.

C) Be tolerant of other viewpoints - There are no off limit topics on the INFJ list. However, certain subjects like religion and politics, for example, tend to be particularly sensitive and subjective, and many list members have strong feelings about them. Although most of the list members are INFJs, please do not assume, simply because we are all the same personality type, that everyone on the list has the same beliefs and views you do; please be tolerant of differences. Also, if you are not INFJ (or not sure that you are), it helps to note that fact when you post messages. It will help to avoid miscommunication.

D) Urban Legends - Please do not use the list to pass on urban legends (untrue stories that have often been floating around the net for years) or fake virus warnings (check all virus warnings with a reliable source before believing them). Please do not send the list petitions, pass on notices of "charitable" acts or send chain letters. You can check out urban legends and hoaxes before posting at The Urban Legends Reference Page (aka Snopes.com).

E) Excessive Complaining - We attempt to create a safe environment for people to discuss issues in their lives. People do discuss their problems here and most people on the list enjoy helping others as much as they can. We recognize that some real-life issues are not resolvable in the forum of a mailing list. That said, INFJ-L is not an appropriate venue for acting out. We recommend that someone who has a major life issue (including, but not limited to: substance abuse by themselves or a loved one, legal issues, and chronic mental health issues) seek out appropriate, professional help. These issues can be discussed here, but they are too large to be dealt with over the Interne,t and they can become disruptive to the list if they are continually revisited with little hope of actual resolution.

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WHAT ADMINISTRATION WILL DO WITH VIOLATIONS

Again, all administrative decisions are final and there are no appeals. When it comes to sanctions, we sincerely desire win-win situations where a person can see how their behavior is disruptive/uncivil and change it accordingly. Our first responsibility, however, is to the overall objective stated above - even at the expense of an individual member, if necessary.

Whenever administration needs to step into a situation, our overlying goal is to stop the offending behavior, not remove someone from the list. People tend to respond in one of three ways when administration contacts them:

1) They acknowledge that they broke the rules and they clearly indicate that they won't do it again. Many times they apologize, which is appreciated, but not entirely necessary.

2) The person does not really believe that they did anything wrong; however, they indicate that they will comply with administration's request anyway.

3) The person is openly defiant regarding administration's request.

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VIOLATION OF MAJOR RULES

Rule violations are not counted "per thread", but are based on conduct during the times stated below. The typical process for a major rule violation is the following:

1) The first offense results in a warning. A warning is a private message from admin to the violator which indicates that he or she broke a rule and that a probationary period is in effect.

2) The second offense during the probationary period results in some form of suspension for a period of time. They will either be removed from the list or have their posting privileges terminated for a stated period of time.

3) The third offense during a probationary period results in permanent removal.

The general probationary periods are as follows:

After a warning, a person will be on probation for six months. If he or she breaks a major list rule again during that time, he or she will be suspended for a time determined by admin and will be on probation for one year starting from the time of the second infraction. A third offense during the probationary period will result in permanent removal.

The probationary period may be modified based on how the violator reacts to administration's intervention. If the person acknowledges that he or she behaved inappropriately and clearly indicates an intention to change their behavior, administration may reduce the probationary period.

If the violator is openly defiant, administration will probably remove them permanently. At that point they have, in effect, indicated their intent not to comply with our rules and it's a waste of everyone's time to simply prolong the inevitable.

Please note that admin believes people can change and requests for reinstatement may be granted on a case by case basis.

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VIOLATION OF MINOR RULES

The typical process for violation of minor rules is a warning and a request to not do it again. The warning period is not infinite, however. Frequent (like more than once a month) violations of minor rules may result in major rule sanctions being imposed.

In some cases, the above rules are more liberal than the previous ones, and in some cases may be more harsh. However, based on the survey results taken in October and past experience, we feel they are fair and we expect every member to read and abide by them.

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February 20, 2005

 

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